Dem Chair Reacts to Last Night’s Results

GroenMarcel Groen is in a great mood.

The Montgomery County native was elected Chair of the Pennsylvania Democratic Party in September. Last night, was his first election as Chairman and he was more than happy to extend congratulations to candidates throughout the commonwealth.

“What a night!,” he exclaimed “It is my sincere pleasure to congratulate the newly-elected Supreme Court Justices Christine Donohue, Kevin Dougherty, and David Wecht.”

“This was a victory for fair redistricting,” Groen continued. For ​too ​many years, the process of drawing legislative seats has been tilted toward politics that protect the status quo​ ​​and special interests. Yesterday’s victories affirm that the people of Pennsylvania want a voice in their legislature. They want districts that represent their communities, not districts drawn to protect out of touch majorities.”

He also touched on the races for Superior and Commonwealth Court, Jim Kenney becoming the next Mayor of Philadelphia and Dem victories in Montgomery County.

“Regardless of the outcome, Democrats across Pennsylvania ran races of which we all can be proud,” Groen stated. “They ran on a message of fairness, equality, and fighting for middle class families. Our candidates stood for these Democratic values and are all winners in my book.”

“This is, however, only the beginning!” he concluded. “We have many more great things to do. This was a first step on the road towards 2016, when we will send a Democrat back to the White House, elect another U.S. Senator, and begin to take back the state legislature.”

In what was likely not an oversight, Groen did not mention his predecessor Jim Burn. Burn and Wolf famously had a frosty relationship and the Governor worked to have Groen replace him.

November 4th, 2015 | Posted in Front Page Stories, Harrisburg, Top Stories | 49 Comments

49 thoughts on “Dem Chair Reacts to Last Night’s Results”

  1. rsklaroff says:

    Jerusalem: Muslim repeatedly hits Israeli tour guide over the head with a glass bottle

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/11/jerusalem-muslim-repeatedly-hits-israeli-tour-guide-over-the-head-with-a-glass-bottle

    BHO and the Dems remain silent.

  2. rsklaroff says:

    The context [ignored by Dems]:

    http://ukmediawatch.org/2015/10/18/arabs-attacking-jews-over-100-years-of-excuses/

    This may explain why, if confirmed:

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1525767687737010&set=a.1421042758209504.1073741829.100009113817529&type=3&theater
    [He banned military from remitting x-mas cards overseas.]

    Note the electrical-silence from aiding/abetting Dems, such as Marcel, Debbie, Josh, Ed, Michael…along with BHO.

  3. rsklaroff says:

    @ Matt:

    You are also engaging in historical revisionism, recalling your opening salvo [“rsklaroff, you are a horrible human being. There are only two possible resolutions to the middle east conflict: peace or genocide of one side or the other. If you’re not working for peace, you’re pushing towards genocide. The lesson of the holocaust wasn’t “protect the Jews at all cost,” but instead “we are all human and genocide should never be allowed, to anyone.””].

    You abandoned this initial [mis]judgment, as the exchange evolved but, unlike your [mis]characterization thereof [“I asked you 1st, and rather than answer, you changed the subject”], it was you who pivoted from my initial [@ November 4, 2015 at 4:51 pm] posting [and personal hyperlink] explicitly about Iran [“the Iranian Nuke-Pact”] to Israel [“There are only two possible resolutions to the middle east conflict: peace or genocide of one side or the other”].

    Thus, repeatedly, you evaded the fundamental query as to how you would explicitly endorse this tragic event; you and your Dem-colleagues [Jewish and Gentile] can run, but you cannot hide.

  4. rsklaroff says:

    @ Matt:

    You now write “I’m not disagreeing with your views of Arab political leadership; they’ve done more harm to their own people than anyone else”; this is encouraging, but the opening-gambit related explicitly to the Iranian Nuke-Capitulation…and your failure to explain why you support it.

  5. Matt says:

    rsklaroff, I asked you 1st, and rather than answer, you changed the subject. I point this out, and you complain that *I’m* changing the subject. Now you’re trying to filibuster me with nearly fifteen pages of arguing points I was not arguing (I said repeatedly that I’m not disagreeing with your views of Arab political leadership; they’ve done more harm to their own people than anyone else). It’s obvious you’re arguing with the straw man in your head rather than responding to what I’m actually saying. I’m done banging my head against this particular brick wall, but please, go ahead and childishly get the final word in

  6. rsklaroff says:

    @ Matt:

    I have, in the Greek sense, analyzed and synthesized.

    Indeed, to dummy-down the situation in lingo that could perhaps resonate with you [forgetting, for a fleeting moment, your fealty to BHO’s leftism], recognize that only one party actively seeks the genocide you claim to abhor…for the other side wouldn’t be able to accomplish that endpoint even were an ardent attempt mounted to try to do so.

    Work backwards from that realization, and then your other attempts to engage in historical revisionism will crumble; for example, were el-Sisi to fall, what you claim as a “permanent” peace-deal with Cairo would be drawn asunder, as well.

    Answer the two indented-queries in the earlier posting, or admit you can’t/won’t…and then allow that realization to open your eyes/brain/heart to what you actually are professing, underneath the many “mattresses” you have invoked as subterfuge; that “pea”-of-truth is perhaps too upsetting to confront, but its impact SHOULD prove disheartening.

    Does the word “evil” mean anything to you?

  7. rsklaroff says:

    @ Matt:

    In direct response to your last query, Israel is constantly attempting to find a Palestinian Arab who would allow for her to survive as a Jewish State; is this not a meaningful prerequisite for a resolution? And, in its absence, can anything approaching “durable” ever emerge?

    Your “purposeful anti-intellectualism?” is mirrored by those who would always claim BB hasn’t done “enough” instead of facing cold facts. Israel must juggle many balls, as those in three rings [internal, immediately-external, more-remotely-external] actively work for her destruction. And it’s the third entity [Iran] who poses the greatest existential threat, even as it penetrates the second one and activates the first one.

    Can anything BHO [and the rest of you appeasers] do anything more to promote Israel’s [and Judaism’s] demise?

  8. rsklaroff says:

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    @ Magt:

    Your peroration talks around the issues instead of confronting them, inserting presumed truisms where tackling facts should be and creating hypotheticals to obfuscate rather than to convey content.

    For example, you leave one thread with “we disagree about the Iranian Nuke Capitulation”-concern as an unknown without daring to cite any specifics therein [as I did] and then invoke the mysterious “others” who have tackled rhetoric and predictably disagreed. This is the classic move of the Dem/Progressive, who always has something to say/write, no matter how inane, prior to “moving on.”

    NO.

    The pact is terrible, and I provided two hyperlinks to articles I wrote in national [heavily juried] publications that carry, themselves, dozens of hyperlinks that, for sure, you didn’t bother to follow…lest you see my viewpoint validated. ABSOLUTE truth exists, notwithstanding your know-nothingism.

    The classic way you guys wiggle-out of confronting reality is via the demagogue’s method of framing questions into bipolarity; this was decried almost a decade ago by Martin Buber [“I and Thou” – 1923] when he reflexly assumed [properly] that any challenge always has multiple facets and approaches.

    Thus, it’s not “either seeking peace or genocide will inevitably occur” because Israel is doing the former regardless of the latter [recall numerous unilateral withdrawals]; again, you failed to provide an explicit response to the query [focused on the Palestinian Arabs] that is to be posed thrice:

    [“I and the Israelis have constantly worked for peace; please name any Palestinian Arab who has even “twitched” towards reciprocating”]

    We both know why…for you can’t…so you “change the subject” by going-negative via ad-hominem claims against those who simply wish to live their lives peacefully…and are DEFENDING themselves against people like you [and Peter Beinart] who feel somehow that they merit being targeted by dozens of daily stabbing attacks [as their imams are instructing explicitly].

    You…and the others explicitly named herein…behave as Jewish anti-Semites, for you care more about Dem-Party emanations of BHO more than maintaining a Zionism that you [or at least the others, for I can only assume you feel this way…or rather I HOPE you harbor this viewpoint] would expect is a shared assumption.

    So, quit with referring to college [I would view your answer as rooted in high-school musings] and confront Israel’s reality. Israel is surrounded [and contains] people who wish her destruction…and BHO is tilting daily to every maximal degree [by ethical egalitarianism born of elitism] that you have manifest.

    –Conclude that the pact is a shanda, or provide a specific example as to why it’s desirable.

    –Admit that no Palestinian Arab has “twitched” towards recognizing Israel as a Jewish State, or provide a quotation from any of them [during the past century-plus, I care not] that even suggests otherwise.

    When you can’t, admit that your house-of-cards disguised as a “word salad” must collapse.

    I read recently of how Conservatism is like a lion; allowing its veracity to roar SHOULD overcome the polemics of its opponents [paraphrased].

  9. Matt says:

    I actually never claimed Israel is engaged in genocide. This entire conversation is archived right on the same page you post new comments on; take the 30 seconds before making baseless statements. I said that their are only two possible outcomes to any conflict– one side wipes out the other, or you reach peace. You can’t name another possible outcome. I said genocide would be a terrible outcome, regardless of who’s on the receiving end. And if you’re not pro peace, there is only one other outcome. If you resist peace, you (you, personally, rsklaroff) would increase the chances of that disaster. (Of course, you’re completely irrelevent to actual process.)

    The rest of your post is barely coherent let alone worth responding to. Your entire point 4 is a word salad. Lets remove your quoting me for stretches longer than the writing (a classic half-bright frat-bro undergrad tactic to mask the that nothing you wrote makes any sense by diluting it 3 to 1 with something else) and see if that makes what you wrote more obvious.

    “Your quote begs the question, for you must confront the fact that you evaded my specific question unrelated to Iran, purposeful anti-intellectualism due to the inability to provide a response that doesn’t violate your cherished narrative.” Are you even half serious? “purposeful anti-intellectualism?” As opposed to the coincidental anti-intellectualism we all so frequently run into? You throw words together because you think they sound smart, not because they convey intelligent thought.

    But I (barely) get what you mean, you want to keep talking about how bad the arab leaders are. You think the Iranian deal is bad, I think it’s good, we both think the other is wrong on the facts. Fine. We’re not going to write anything that could convince either of us the other is right. Smarter people who are better writers than us, but from both of our sides, have already tried that. I’m saying that, even if I grant entirely that every bad thing you say about the Palestinian leaders is true, that still doesn’t remove our obligation to work for peace. There are still plenty of innocent children on all sides who aren’t guilty of their parents crimes.

    Israel is not a “Lamb on the way to slaughter.” They are a regional powerhouse, backed by the world’s only remaining superpower, that is many times more powerful than it was the last time it defeated any alliance of every single country who dislikes it. They brought the best they had, and lost, and that was with now-gone Soviet support, and before Israel had keyhole satellites, drone strikes, or iron dome. Before the only improvement in the political situation since Israel’s founding: the lasting peace brokered with Egypt, which robbed the anti-Israeli countries of their largest possible ally. Today, Israel is the dominant power in the region. You’re the one ignorant of the history since 1967.

    But please… you promised to “undermine your allegedly-Biblical references,” but then never even approached the subject. Explain to me, what version of Judism doesn’t feature tikkun olam? I would be fascinated to hear how you square your duty to repair the world with your desire for constant war.

  10. rsklaroff says:

    @ Matt:

    It is necessary, on this Sabbath day, to undermine your allegedly-Biblical references…along with your conflation of contrary concerns and inversion of obvious facts.

    1. You keep claiming Israel is engaging in genocide, absent a shred of proof and in the face of hundreds of attacks on Jews during this recent effort by Palestinian Arab leadership to create a third Intifada.

    2. You honor Iran’s having signed-off on an “arms control treaty” without recognizing its profound defects and the fact that it’s already violating its pledges; in this regard, consult two of the dozen articles I composed on this topic since May and work-backwards through the hyperlinks for documentation.

    thehill.
    com/blogs/congress-blog/foreign-policy/255667-job-requirement-for-new-speaker-commit-to-suing-obama-to

    americanthinker.
    com/articles/2015/09/nuke_the_iranian_nukepact__comments.html#comment-2279748680

    3. All stone-throwers should be given a second-chance, after which they should be exiled to Gaza, age notwithstanding; any family concerned with reunification may be invited to join them.

    4. Focus, focus. Your quote [“I’ll stipulate for the following question that their (sic) isn’t a single Iranian or Palestinian leader so much as ‘twitching’ towards peace (which of course isn’t true, they just agreed to a nuclear arms control treaty, but lets (sic) ignore that for the sake of this question).”] begs the question, for you must confront the fact that you evaded my specific question unrelated to Iran [“I and the Israelis have constantly worked for peace; please name any Palestinian Arab who has even “twitched” towards reciprocating”], purposeful anti-intellectualism due to the inability to provide a response that doesn’t violate your cherished [anti-Israel] narrative.

    5. Perhaps you would have Israelis/Jews emulate Lambs on the way to a slaughter but, fortunately, BB is opposing your pacifism, appeasement, and ignorance of history [both remote and recent].

    If this is the best a progressive/Dem Jew [such as yourself] can do, to defend Marcel, Josh and Debbie…you are aiding/abetting efforts to destroy Eretz Yisrael.

  11. Matt says:

    rsklaroff: You don’t remember the lesson of Abraham and God negotiating over the fate of Sodom and Gomorrah. God was willing to spare an entire wicked city for sake of even one righteous person. There are 1.7 million Palestinians in Gaza and another 2.5 million in the West Bank. You’re so certain that their isn’t one innocent person in there? What about the hundreds of thousands of children under the age of 5? Are they innocent, or do you believe they’re just born guilty?

    And anyway, we were talking about the nuclear deal with Iran, not Palestine. Nice job trying to confuse the subject, though. But what was your point in asking me to name “any Palestinian Arab who has even twitched towards reciprocating (peace),” that if I can’t, that makes the genocide of arabs ok? Fine, I’ll stipulate for the following question that their isn’t a single Iranian or Palestinian leader so much as “twitching” towards peace (which of course isn’t true, they just agreed to a nuclear arms control treaty, but lets ignore that for the sake of this question). Would that make it ok to slaughter their civilians? Of course not. We wear the tallit (one reason, anyway) to remind us that we God’s Lambs. “The Jewish People is compared to a sheep because of all the virtues that a lamb possesses. The sheep’s only protection is the shepherd and we Jews also rely solely on the Shepherd of Israel, the Almighty.*” Not drone bombs, special forces raids, or hundred mile long fences.

    *http://www.chabad.org/kids/article_cdo/aid/114766/jewish/Lamb.htm

  12. rsklaroff says:

    @ Matt & d2:

    I and the Israelis have constantly worked for peace; please name any Palestinian Arab who has even “twitched” towards reciprocating…or claim the mantle of “horrible human being” for yourself.

  13. David Diano says:

    Matt –

    Of course rskaroff is in the pro-genocide camp, like all the weak-minded, paranoid neo-cons and xenophobes of his ilk.

    It’s a defect in his amygdala.

    “Amygdala size has been correlated with cognitive styles with regard to political thinking. More specifically, political conservatism has been associated with increased volume of the fear-eliciting right amygdala.”

  14. rsklaroff says:

    @ Matt:

    I and the Israelis have constantly worked for peace; please name any Palestinian Arab who has even “twitched” towards reciprocating…or claim the mantle of “horrible human being” for yourself.

  15. Matt says:

    rsklaroff, you are a horrible human being. There are only two possible resolutions to the middle east conflict: peace or genocide of one side or the other. If you’re not working for peace, you’re pushing towards genocide. The lesson of the holocaust wasn’t “protect the Jews at all cost,” but instead “we are all human and genocide should never be allowed, to anyone.”

  16. David Diano says:

    Phoebe Buffay-

    I help out candidates who have not been well served by the party, or don’t like the arm twisting tactics, or having VAN/VoterBuilder shoved down their throats.

    I’m not pals with the “big money” types buying and selling candidates, favors, votes, nepotism, etc.

    I’m proud of challenging the status quo. I’m not looking for a job working for government, kickbacks, power, steer money to my law firm, vendors, etc. I’ve got a progressive viewpoint, and I try to help good candidates and the party.

    Part of the reason that fundraising was off was that people like Wolf and Marcel were boycotting the state party fundraising out of spite against Burn. That is hardly a strong moral position for a coup.

    But, unlike you, I post under my own name and people can see I’m not an anonymous shill.

    I hope Marcel does a good job. But, I’m hardly going to be a cheerleader for the process used to oust Burn.

  17. rsklaroff says:

    “HTF did this turn into a debate on the Mideast???”

    Because Marcel [and others who should know better, including Josh] can run, but can’t hide.

  18. Frank Burns says:

    HTF did this turn into a debate on the Mideast???

  19. Real truth says:

    (Lund’s political relevance) – June 2015 to October 2015 Adams County Democrat registered 23 new democrats Adams County Republican registered 359 new republicans. using the word relevance and lund in the same sentence is-Laughable. Only in his own mind.

  20. Phoebe Buffay says:

    David –
    Some of us have real careers and don’t use posting on a little-known website riddled with trolls as a means to gain some legitimacy. I enjoy the hell out of your obsession with this site and the need you feel to prove yourself, but you also are a leper to 95% of the involved Dems in the state thanks to your work on here and habit for stalking out candidates at events to pitch vote builder or this week’s newest conspiracy theory.

    Lund’s political relevance died the day he sided with Burn over Wolf. In a past life he may have been a hard working activist in a rural part of the state, but having gained a false power and a grandiose sense of self-worth under Burn, he has turned that county party into an embarrassment, fielding no challenger to Moul and barely anything against Tallman. The districts may be gerrymandered to hell but for a so called “leader” in the state party to be so lazy or inept that he can’t scrape together a half decent candidate in a house race; we deserve better.

    Marcel is by no means perfect. Anyone who has worked with him knows that he can be a little tricky to deal with. But Marcel is capable. And after having watched Jim Burn in action, capable sounds just fine to me.

    Oh and fun rumor that has been floating around the ether for a couple months. Jim Burn supposedly went down to DC over the summer to pitch himself as an option for the Toomey Senate challenge. He was laughed out of the room and had to tuck his tail all the way back to Millvale.

  21. rsklaroff says:

    @ Guzzardi:

    Your posting [unlike that of d2, which is nonspecific and typically inane] requires annotation:

    “From my point of view, the biggest loser Tuesday was Pat Toomey. Sen. Toomey has moved away from the RedState/Tea Party base that supported him in 2004 and pivoted to the center, that is, pivoted toward the Union and Liberal Democratic base. Like Jeb Bush, Sen. Toomey seems to think that he does not need his base.”

    You can cite no documentation for your charge against a guy you idolized, other than to damn him by his associations with people you don’t like; when did he vote for an unambiguously pro-union bill in the Senate?

    “Additionally, Sen. Toomey has not used his power to remove ‘the Roberts,’ colluding cronies, Rob Gleason and Bob Asher, and their network of incompetent crony consultants who get rich losing Republican campaigns.”

    [ditto]

    “Ray Zaborney ran the well-financed Michael George campaign and lost. Yet, Zaborney and Red Maverick remain favored, and failing, insider crony consultants.”

    [ditto] The ads were devoid of content; he looked as if he was staring @ onrushing headlights.

    “Conservatives won around the country, and even in MontCo, conservative, anti-establishment outsider, Joe Gale won with wide margin even against the $100,000 spent by the Gleason-Asher-Vereb cronies.”

    And, absent a statement regarding what you know Gale [who was purposefully and unnecessarily divisive] spent, you are reflecting the victory of bias over straight-shooting…which, until 3/2014, was emblematic of your public mien.

    “Gleason Asher are losers and, sadly, Pat Toomey is entwined with them.”

    [ditto]

    “Sen. Toomey may get lucky and have the arrogantly entitled elitist Joe Sestak as his opponent. Katie McGinty has experience with profit-making companies and, I would think, more competent in the mechanics of policy but I don’t know her and never met her. Katie McGinty cannot be as dismissively contemptuous of those who disagree as Joe Sestak and seems to have a more pleasant personal.”

    You appear to chomp at the bit to support McGinty, absent the ability to tout any accomplishment in her c.v.; this again illustrates how necessary anger-management treatment continues to be, for you can’t celebrate your victory without feeling you can unleash anger @ demons real and imagined. STOP reliving your gubernatorial collapse [of your own doing] and STOP claiming people are “disloyal” when they tell you they are supporting BOTH commissioner candidates, as you did in Abington [and, undoubtedly, elsewhere, in your self-appointed “enforcement”-role, I guess].

    “Sen. Toomey relies on his pollster, the unassailably certain Jon Lerner, and that may be a mistake. Pollsters were big losers on Tuesday. Bruce Castor had polls showing he was up by 10 to 14 points and then the voter voted.”

    How you know of the pre-election polling is beyond me, for no one else with whom I chatted was able to quote any effort as having been initiated; if you are beginning to confabulate, you had best “take a deep breath” before aiming your machine-gun attacks @ well-respected leaders such as Sen. Pat Toomey.

    “With the legislature conservative leaning Republican and Appellate Courts and Gov Democrat, we will either see gridlock or we will see collusion where power elite become richer and more powerful. Pennsylvania declines as Florida prospers. Sad and unnecessary.”

    This type of projection [psychological] does nothing to enhance insight; again, you are attacking without foundation and, again, one would hope that Gale’s victory would have provided you an opportunity to evince a bit of humility.

  22. David Diano says:

    Real truth-

    While that may be the perception to some (or even the reality), why don’t you put your name to your claims. Roger was there in the meetings, and you weren’t.

    If you can show that you are actually someone in the know, or legitimate insider, please use your name and state your case.

    If you disagree with Roger (and are impugning his abilities), put up or shut up.

  23. Real truth says:

    Jim Burn and his fan club, had no money, no connections, no reality. Burn had not been to the HQ for a year, Roger and his sidekick Diane ran the show into the ground. Together they couldn’t open envelope. Total joke. Move on either get positive or start a new party. Bowludburn show. The DNC is jumping for joy that the State Party has a Chair now. The Joker has left the room. Working Democrats have moved in!

  24. David Diano says:

    rsklaroff-

    You come off like a genocidal nutcase. I’m surprised you haven’t moved to Israel and asked Netanyahu if you can build ovens to incinerate Palestinians that you think might be or become terrorists? You would probably want to start with the children. If there is some medical to treat paranoid delusions, please write yourself a prescription.

    Roger-
    Thanks for those extra background details. The relief pitcher does not get credit for the win when he comes in late in the game.

    Marcel will be able to claim a lot of victories in 2016, as a result of the natural presidential turnout. However, if there are not some significant gains of lost ground in the state legislature, it will a lost opportunity. We can’t afford to leave any republican seats unchallenged like in 2014 under the previous HDCC leadership. I am hopeful that Marcel will exert some influence and makes sure we have full (and fully funded) slate for the battle for the legislature. PA can’t afford more years of budget stalemates.

    The real test for Marcel will be how the party does in 2017 when it’s the state party, and not the national party and federal elections driving the show (and there will be a lot of apathy and 2016 election fatigue).

  25. spongebob says:

    Roger Lund don’t be so bitter. Just because the 5 Dems in Adams County aren’t relevant anymore doesn’t mean the state party will collapse. And assuming it is actually you and not a troll, posting publicly in your own name to insult both the Governor and the party chair is probably not the best political move. Stop sniffing your own farts and bend the knee.

  26. bobguzzardi says:

    With the legislature conservative leaning Republican and Appellate Courts and Gov Democrat, we will either see gridlock or we will see collusion where power elite become richer and more powerful. Pennsylvania declines as Florida prospers. Sad and unnecessary.

  27. bobguzzardi says:

    From my point of view, the biggest loser Tuesday was Pat Toomey. Sen. Toomey has moved away from the RedState/Tea Party base that supported him in 2004 and pivoted to the center, that is, pivoted toward the Union and Liberal Democratic base. Like Jeb Bush, Sen. Toomey seems to think that he does not need his base.

    Additionally, Sen. Toomey has not used his power to remove “the Roberts”, colluding cronies, Rob Gleason and Bob Asher, and their network of incompetent crony consultants who get rich losing Republican campaigns.

    Ray Zaborney ran the well financed Michael George campaign and lost. Yet, Zaborney and Red Maverick remain favored, and failing, insider crony consultants.

    Conservatives won around the country, and even in MontCo, conservative, anti-establishment outsider,Joe Gale won with wide margin even against the $100,000 spent by the Gleason-Asher-Vereb cronies.

    Gleason Asher are losers and, sadly, Pat Toomey is entwined with them.

    Sen. Toomey may get lucky and have the arrogantly entitled elitist Joe Sestak as his opponent. Katie McGinty has experience with profit making companies and, I would think, more competent in the mechanics of policy but I don’t know her and never met her. Katie McGinty cannot be as dismissively contemptuous of those who disagree as Joe Sestak and seems to have a more pleasant personal.

    Sen. Toomey relies on his pollster, the unassailably certain Jon Lerner, and that may be a mistake.Pollsters were big losers on Tuesday. Bruce Castor had polls showing he was up by 10 to 14 points and then the voter voted.

  28. SE PA Observer says:

    jmarshak, what is evidence of gerrymandering then? You couldn’t sound more out of touch. In 2014, a big R year, Dems earn 80k more votes across the state and it’s not like the Rs have 1 or even 3 more seats, they have more than double. It’s a shinning example of how the Rs are not a party with large appeal, they win now because they have gerrymandered districts and strict voter ID laws. Give them credit, they make sure they win in census years. They don’t have ideas that appeal to a majority of voters. Dems have been winning statewide here for two decades, yet the Legislature is so solidly R and so many districts are so tilted that there is no leverage in the system to create compromise. Why should an R give in where their home district is R+15 and they will be elected each time? Until legislative districts are competitive, there will be no reason for elected official to compromise. Just look in the SE, you actually have Rs here that compromise, why? Because their districts are R+1 or D+2 so they need to and that is what is missing from our gerrymandered system. Can’t wait for 2022.

  29. Roger Lund says:

    David Diano and John are correct: all was set in motion by Jim Burn, beginning with great endorsement process. For those who think the judicial candidates magically came together once Marcel appeared, don’t know the truth. I was in a meeting with representatives of all the judicial teams well before Marcel became chair. The candidate’s teams asked for 3 things: access to VAN, a consultant hired to analyze voter statistics and an absentee ballot program.

    The truth is, Jim Burn took care of the first two requests immediately, and Marcel told Diane Bowman to stop work on the third.

    Jim Burn was a team player who tried to include all on the team if they wanted to play. It’s a very different story now. But, at least Wolf is showing up to political rallies now, so I guess things are better. (rolling my eyes). This 5 for 5 sweep has Jim Burn’s name to it, just as the 5 for 5 sweep in 2014 did. No Dem Chair has ever accomplished that. Ever.

    Think any of the upper echelon would give credit where credit is due? Ha!

  30. Yeah ok says:

    Burn couldn’t even get handouts with all 5 candidates made, much less get them to actually do work together. Not to mention the SP actually spent money on these races once Groen took over, as evidenced by the 3 pieces of mail I received by the state party in Philly. In Burn’s last full meeting as chair he allowed the loser of a primary to speak instead of the winner only because they’re better friends. What a joke. The party is already light years ahead of where Burn and Diane left it.

  31. rsklaroff says:

    @ d2:

    Each statement is false, typical of an anti-Semite who considers the day Israel was re-created to be a nakba, a catastrophe:

    “Nothing to compared to the thousands of attacks and murders of Palestinians in Gaza last year launched by Israel.” You omit the facts that the Gazans had been showering bombs on Israel prior to the incursion and had dug attack-tunnels that were to be used in Yom Kippur to kill/kidnap Jews.

    “The only nuclear threat in that region is Israel with hundreds of nukes.” Unlike Iran, Israel has not pledged to destroy any neighboring country and/or its inhabitants.

    “The Iran deal will keep Iran from getting a nuke.” If you were superficially familiar with its details, you’d know that BHO capitulated in each facet thereof and that Iran is already violating its foundational points [while “self-inspecting”].

    Were you–indeed, any Dem including Marcel–to recognize these facts publicly, the appeasement of BHO would be more apt to be properly overcome; the “sound of silence” is deafening, and y’all know it…even as Jews are targeted while the world [including Dem-Jews in particular] sit on their thumbs.

    How is such conduct NOT akin to anti-Semitism???

  32. David Diano says:

    rsklaroff-

    Nothing to compared to the thousands of attacks and murders of Palestinians in Gaza last year launched by Israel.

    The only nuclear threat in that region is Israel with hundreds of nukes.

    The Iran deal will keep Iran from getting a nuke.

  33. rsklaroff says:

    @ d2:

    Israel is fending-off hundreds of attacks, dozens daily…did ya know?

    Anyone who endorses the Iranian nuke-pact is anti-Semitic.

  34. jmarshak says:

    Anonymous- how many of those incumbent Republicans were running unopposed? I know mine was. And how many of those Democrat votes came from Philadelphia and Pittsburgh where the Democrat was either unopposed or beat his opponent by 40 points or more? The simple fact that you got more votes across the state but don’t have as many seats is not, by itself, evidence of gerrymandering.

  35. David Diano says:

    rsklaroff-

    You think Jews that don’t agreed with your tea-party, neo-con, right-wing paranoia view are all anti-Semitic.

    The only role model Netanyahu is providing is to human rights abusers seeking cover for their own actions.

  36. R Plavo says:

    Was that a great job in Ms Arnet losing the senatorial seat in W PA? Who gets the credit, Burn or Groen?

  37. John says:

    Jim Burn did all the work and Marcel’s taking all the credit. What a joke….

  38. rsklaroff says:

    @ d2:

    Yeah, and you are able to ID a country anywhere in the world [particularly in the middle east] that is closer to America now than was the case under Bush-’43.

    Then, note how BB provides a role-model that BHO is gradually being forced to co-adopt after having failed in every other context [evidenced by his finally sorta-helping the Kurds, a plea that I started helping them promote ~7 years ago].

    Finally, recognize that the Iranian Nuke-Pact is a shanda AND that Marcel [and his wife, and the wife of my commissioner-opponent who is to be the MontCo Controller] could not defend it [all of whom are Jews].

  39. David Diano says:

    John Galt-

    The court (or even better a good legislature) can define a non-partisan computer algorithm that ignores party registrations and relies upon census data to create compact districts. Many such fair algorithms are available.

    What a night!-

    The candidates were working fine together when Jim Burn was still chairman. The victory was already baked into the pie.

    rsklaroff-

    Stop being such a bigot and claiming everything is anti-Semitism. Obama trying to take the keys from the drunk driver running/ruining Israel is the act of a friend/ally, despite Netanyahu’s frequent undermining of U.S. foreign policy, peace, and trust.

  40. gulagPittsburgh says:

    Celebrate all you want, but Christine Donohue is an unethical witch who is unfit for any court, even one as disgusting as the PA Supremes.

  41. rsklaroff says:

    @ 7 a.m., @ our polling-site, Marcel [along with his wife, Bernice, and anyone else who might serve as collateral damage @ a nearby polling-site] was forcefully reminded – as has occurred semi-annually during the past half-decade – that his silence regarding the anti-Semitic policies of his POTUS remains deafening…particularly after the signing of the Iranian Nuke-Pact.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/foreign-policy/255667-job-requirement-for-new-speaker-commit-to-suing-obama-to

    All who aid/abet [including Jews, in particular, who should know better…who DO know better] are culpable when they remain silent, just as transpired among German-lemmings in the ’30’s and just as was manifest by European-capos in the ’40’s.

  42. Anonymous says:

    Here is why it matters; in 2012, more Pennsylvanians voted for the Democratic nominee for US Congress, but because of severely gerrymandered districts by the Republican Party, Democrats won only 5 congressional seats and Republicans “won” 13.

    It’s a gross abuse of power.

    2012 PENNSYLVANIA UNITED STATES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ELECTIONS
    Party Votes Percentage Seats Before Seats After +/–
    Democratic 2,793,538 50.28% 6 5 -1
    Republican 2,710,070 48.77% 13 13 –

  43. What a night! says:

    Great Job Chairman Groen. You pulled the Judicial team together and kept them on the same team, it paid off. Thank you for stepping up to the plate and getting us back on track. Looking forward to your leadership for years to come.

  44. Isaac L. says:

    Both parties are bad so vote Republican, amiright?

  45. John Galt says:

    Both parties gerrymander district lines… to think otherwise or to think it will end is just nonsense.

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