If the State Senate votes to expel Attorney General Kathleen Kane from office, Governor Tom Wolf will follow her lead.
That is what the Governor told WITF radio this morning.
Last week, a State Senate committee voted 5-2 to recommend that the full body consider the AG’s case.
Gov. Wolf indicated that he believed the decision lies with the upper chamber, stating that he’ll “do their bidding” if they vote that way.
“They seem to think they have that power,” Wolf told WITF’s Smart Talk’s Scott LaMar “and if they vote that, evidently then that’s what my job has to be.”
Article VI Section 7 of the PA Constitution states that:
All civil officers shall hold their offices on the condition that they behave themselves well while in office, and shall be removed on conviction of misbehavior in office or of any infamous crime. Appointed civil officers, other than judges of the courts of record, may be removed at the pleasure of the power by which they shall have been appointed. All civil officers elected by the people, except the Governor, the Lieutenant Governor, members of the General Assembly and judges of the courts of record, shall be removed by the Governor for reasonable cause, after due notice and full hearing, on the address of two-thirds of the Senate.
The above passage suggests that the initiative lies with the Governor, an interpretation that G. Terry Madonna agreed with later in the show.
It would appear that Governor Wolf is still hesitant to involve himself in the Kane saga, despite the fact that he clearly believes she should go.
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Anonymous, Union, yes. But, which one?
All this hub-bub about nothing. This isn’t just about e-mails. It will be more about mis-use of the taxpayers’ time and equipment. Fina used his State computer and server to degrade women and minorities. That’s illegal. He will be charged. And, eventually, he will go to prison.
Hasn’t Fina already been sued by a Female Agent at the Attorney General’s Office? Wasn’t that lawsuit about sexual harassment/discrimination? Didn’t that Agent win her case?
That was convincing “SpongeBob”
Maybe there is another guy/troll using “SpongeBob.” Now – please tell us how you know “doglover2015.”
Thank you.
HAHAHA ping the site owners and ask them if we are the same person. As if we post from the same IP address. I post as 1 name alone on here. Do others post differently like you do? No clue. I welcome you asking Sy if I am doing multiple postings. Have at it.
DD – Please do not fall for that Trolls nonsense. Just keep calling him names. After all – he is a RETARD. Notice “Doglove205″/”Doglover2015” never answered? He just switched screennames … and now he is “SpongeBob” …. So dumb.
David, I love how you resort to name calling when presented with a technically thought out argument. The access he was given means he had rights to do whatever he wanted. He had access before anyone say the results. I am not saying he altered anything. I am saying that in the world of law the access that he was given will taint the data related to that access. Many of the email messages were not stored on the servers but were retrieved from individual pc’s. The problem with chain of custody over the emails happens when people in the office like Dave P thought they knew more about technology than they did got their hands in the mix. Once that chain of custody is altered anything can happen. I am not claiming messages were altered. The issue is that the actions taken by those who know less than they should have left open the ability to question voracity. As someone who is in the political world you should know better that’s its not always what you can prove but perception wins the day. The reason people fail when they often try and claim something was planted is that rigorous rules are followed as it relates to evidence and chain of custody. Kane’s office treated the emails like party favors with everyone getting a chance to see. How in the world do you think giving unauthorized people access to raw data does not come back to hurt them if this ever made it to court?
Fear not though your name calling is having an interesting effect. I have a feeling Voterweb2015 will have a rocky future when you turn it into Voterweb2016. Android is such a fickle OS sometimes. As for your “Social” life I am starting with Delco Democrats, Haverford Democrats and I think Abington or Springfield as well. I am sure they feel the same way you do about special needs folks so there isn’t any reason to think a nudge by my emissaries will have any impact on your standing right?
Great question, DD. Let’s see what the answer is!!!
The Fina shills are still in denial. They got all giddy when they were manufacturing anti-Kane headlines with their illegal leaks In the backs of their little minds, they know their house of cards is collapsing – but they aren’t quite ready to admit it.
Fina is going to jail. Let them fret about collection methods all they want. Monday was the day they hoped would never come. They will now be held accountable for their crimes.
Doglover2015-
What makes you think SpongeBob is technically competent? What knowledge do you have about his education and employment experience? He’s listed none of that here.
David,
I’ll leave my comments at that as I don’t want to speculate what I think would be a response to your last person.however, I can tell you that SpongeBob is very knowledgable about this subject I’m sure perhaps he can discuss the technical arguments with you in a rationale way but I can assure you his is more than competent on this subject by employment and education.
Doglover2015-
SpongeBob barely know a mouse from a modem.
The kinds of alterations he’s fabricating would require more than just “admin” access. There would have to be editing tools, reading of raw data, timestamp manipulations, etc.
Does he think that Fina had a “Bravery” cartoon of fire-fighters and it was replaced with a cartoon about a white guy with fried chicken trying to get past some black guys?
Beside, the system at the AG’s office is supposedly so secure that it logs which printers documents are printed on.
David, I was not going under the assumption that the police/ law enforcement would change data on the original and susequent work copy to frame somebody. However using your theory if the seized computers copy was analyzed and changed then a comparison to another target computer should have the the original unchanged information could be possible. However, I’m not sure what notations would be made on an admin log if the admin tried to alter information on that. SpongeBob would know that answer.
Who is this “Ha ha” cat? He sounds like a real stooge …
I want to apologize for the stupid post I just made and for not arguing the facts but merely ridiculing the piaster because he left out a 1. I know I’m not smart enough to comment other than say troll boy, clown car, perv etc please excuse my stupidity but be assured I will continue to remain stupid and post more stupid stuff.
Doglover205-
When the device in under their control they can alter the original before making a copy. SpongeBob is taking up the ridiculous position that admin access invalidates anything “found”. So, it would still apply to your example, if you assume the police/FBI are going to alter contents to frame you.
LOL @ troll-boy. He is too dumb to even keep his different screen-names straight. Now he is “doglover205” too.
David,
Your comparison analysis could be used as a back up argument if all the computers/servers involved are confuscated. However, what if the target computer is not confiscated because it was destroyed or the data on the hard drive is overwritten and or shredded using a wipe program. There would be nothing to compare it with. That may be the issue with the former Secretary of States email server. They thought the information was gone once it was deleted. The data still remains until it is written over or wiped clean by a program which strips it of all data.
David,
Sorry, but I believe you are incorrect on this one. When a computer is confiscated and submitted for analysis the first thing a forensics unit will do is to make a copy of the hard drive, external drives, discs etc. They then preserve the computer in its original format and use the copies they just made as their work copies and their analysis is done from that. The same is done for cell phones as well.
SpongeBob-
That is the dumbest technical argument yet, that an admin who “COULD” alter data, automatically invalidates any evidence in court.
Under that reasoning, any evidence found on a computer confiscated the police or FBI would be inadmissible.
Other problems with your claims:
1) No one has denied that the contents of their emails have been altered. It’s been “Oops, I got caught”
2) Emails are paired senders and receivers (sometimes multiple receivers), and replies often quote the original text. So, manipulation would result in a mismatch with any emails in the chain not under admin control.
3) Altering the emails would change lengths and cause mismatched with content lengths in headers, checksums, etc.
4) Changes wouldn’t match the backups.
So, all in all, this is a pretty ridiculous stretch, even for your technically challenged brain. You should dump your laptop and stick to an Etch-a-Sketch.
Petition now has over 700 signatures. And the comments are a good read for anyone who wants to know how people REALLY feel about Hate-gate and the people responsible:
https://www.change.org/p/seth-williams-dismiss-the-hateful-prosecutors-that-abused-the-public-trust?source_location=petition_footer&algorithm=promoted&grid_position=2
Apparently, the videos/porn that Fina & The Corbett pervs watched at work (on our dime) included:
– bestiality
– graphic violence against women
– a woman having “sex” with a snake
– a 100 year-old woman engaged in intercourse
– a man opening a champagne bottle and shoving it in a woman’s vagina
How “friggin” vile are these creeps? Hope they have their orange jump-suits ready.
It’s not sad for all PA dems … but it is sad for Fina (an alleged dem) – who is going to jail. And it is sad and for Seth Williams who, for some reason, continues to employ Fina.
I keep going back to Williams saying he too is a “reformed” sexist and misogynist. What did he mean by that? Why would a politician say something like that? Is there a chance he is on these e-mail threads??? Wouldn’t Kane have already disclosed that if it were the case?
So sad for me too; was hoping we could get rid of a democrat. I am always so sad
So sad for all pa dems….
Today’s paper describes Fina as an “anchor.”
“These anchors, by the way, are former state prosecutors Frank Fina, Marc Costanzo and Pat Blessington, who apparently have newly reformed attitudes about sexist, racist and homophobic emails after a day of sensitivity training. On the same day Williams announced the training in a statement, he also announced that he’d hired a chief integrity officer, then didn’t respond when the Daily News figured out that she had potential conflicts of interest.”
Gotta wonder when Williams is going to cut bait. Fina is dead in the water. If Williams thinks he can keep Costanzo on, he is wrong. Blessington is another story. The reports are that Blessington only received the e-mails. Williams can keep him, IMO
Not sure how Williams is going to get away with keeping Fina’s lawyer’s wife either. The Press wants answers. I don’t blame them. BTW – Fina’s lawyer’s wife is also Tyron Ali’s lawyer’s wife.
Also the people that he prosecuted for doing something illegal are coming out against the people who charged them? I am shocked I say. Why I would have assumed that when people are caught and convicted they always have a nice how do you do for the person who put them in jail. Yeah lets take the word of convicted criminals who said the guy was mean to them. Now I am sure there could be other people he did not put in jail that he may have treated the same way but until they speak out the criminal confidential is just something that carries no merit.
Ok, I have 2 different devices I use depending on where I am at the time. If it makes HAHAHA happy I made sure the B is capitalized everywhere. Never mind that I made specific points to counter the ability for anything other than a giant waste of money to occur for no real benefit. I am shill and a troll even though I don’t like Fina, or the other wrapped up in this but instead am focused on the facts that this AG is a trainwreck of a person and as an Attorney General. What’s important is that on the 2 devices I use to post here that the B is capitalized. Good Grief…
“C-ya” = I am going to change my screen name now
LOL @ the troll-boy !!! OWNED again.
I wonder how many other “Sheilah Novasky”s and “Melissa Frameli”s there are out there. How many other women did he degrade? This guy has no business carrying a badge and no business representing the women of Philadelphia in courtrooms. I can’t believe Seth Williams thinks so little of women.
Where’s Diano these days? He’s good sport. You’re just the B-team. C-ya.
You agree with DeWeese that what Fina did to him was hypocrisy. You need a dictionary as much as the other “Anonymous”.
You are such a paid shill…but can’t respond to your own rep from little ‘ole me. Time to burn the nom de plume?
More bad-press for Williams today … and, again, it is because of Frank Fina and Marc Costanzo:
“Closer to home, one of the most egregious examples is District Attorney Seth Williams. Throughout the salacious email debacle dubbed Porngate, he’s had little to no public comment – except for some conveniently timed news releases – about a few anchors sinking his tipping ship.
These anchors, by the way, are former state prosecutors Frank Fina, Marc Costanzo and Pat Blessington, who apparently have newly reformed attitudes about sexist, racist and homophobic emails after a day of sensitivity training. On the same day Williams announced the training in a statement, he also announced that he’d hired a chief integrity officer, then didn’t respond when the Daily News figured out that she had potential conflicts of interest.
Question: When public officials refuse to comment, what exactly do the people in their offices who are paid handsomely to comment on their behalf do?
Well, sometimes they send out (more) news releases about an impressive-sounding lawyer who was named Prosecutor of the Year by the Coalition Against Insurance Fraud.
But when you let a scandal drag your office down, the good stuff is overshadowed.”
Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politics/20151203_Dear_public_officials__No_comment__Are_you_serious_.html#FqBoI6iWwXRDIo6C.99
LMAO – this is the part where the trolll/shill thinks I am going to have a back-and-forth conversation with him.
As if …
Oh, it was you, hater, 4:17PM. You’re probably false flagging on here too. What a joke this place has become. Is that how you got your name?
Why don’t you take all this time on your hands and try following the law by filling out a lobbying disclosure for a change union boss?
You need to admit your hate, or do all the guys at the union think the way you do?
Oh …. OK …. This “Hahaha” guy/gal may be an anti-semite. I have no idea. Clearly, there is someone trying to use my screen name … someone too stupid to type it in correctly. I am ‘HaHaHa” … with three capital “H’s … LMAO at you troll/shills. You just suck at it.
Wait … earlier you were “SpongeBob” with a capital “B” ….. Now you are “Spongebob” … Could that be because you are switching back and forth between screen names trying to pose as different commenters? Of course that is why!!! LOL. Anythong to say about these revelations, shill-boy:
1) Sheilah Novasky met Frank Fina for the first time while she was waiting to testify before a grand jury in the state’s case against DeWeese. She said she sat in a small room with seven men – including Fina.
Fina repeatedly asked bout two things: How many women on DeWeese’s staff were sleeping with Manzo? And did she know about Frameli’s “breast enhancements”?
Novasky then went before the grand jury. Fina asked her nothing about breasts or Manzo’s sexual relationships.
“I think it was for their own amusement,” Novasky said. “There is a line between intimidation and interrogation and they crossed the lines whenever they concentrated on the sexual antics, which had nothing to do with [the case] …”
2) Melissa Frameli remembers: “Fina was saying that we were exchanging political emails on state time and that it was illegal … It’s pretty sick that they were doing the same thing that they were screaming at us for – and our emails were related to political work, they weren’t degrading toward women or towards men, they weren’t pornographic in nature.”
She recalled that Fina was fixated on her personal relationship with DeWeese’s chief of staff, Michael Manzo, and whether she had spent her bonus money on a “boob job.” He accused her of “whoring around,” unleashing a string of profanity and “F-bombs,” she said. …
“He was completely putting me down and saying I was going to get in trouble for sleeping with my boss. Screaming at me, and saying that I used my bonus to get a boob job and that I was a disgrace, basically . . . I felt very degraded by him. I felt very degraded as a woman.”
LOL, the Special Independent prosecutor can knock on my door. He has no legal standing in the Commonwealth yet so he would be sent on his merry way back to drinking with teenagers and accusing law enforcement of being henchmen for his opponents. No they won’t come knocking because if they did their meal ticket would be wrapped up because they would know they have limited legal standing to act on the emails. No they will let it play out in court. The best is yet to come people.
Hahaha’s anti-Semitic words are a direct quote from 12/1/15! I just read them this morning dumba$$.
A-holeonymous,
Why should anyone care what YOU say? Just give me one reason. I’ll wait … … … …
In the meantime, people may want too read what these women have said:
1) Sheilah Novasky met Frank Fina for the first time while she was waiting to testify before a grand jury in the state’s case against DeWeese. She said she sat in a small room with seven men – including Fina.
Fina repeatedly asked bout two things: How many women on DeWeese’s staff were sleeping with Manzo? And did she know about Frameli’s “breast enhancements”?
Novasky then went before the grand jury. Fina asked her nothing about breasts or Manzo’s sexual relationships.
“I think it was for their own amusement,” Novasky said. “There is a line between intimidation and interrogation and they crossed the lines whenever they concentrated on the sexual antics, which had nothing to do with [the case] …”
2) Melissa Frameli remembers: “Fina was saying that we were exchanging political emails on state time and that it was illegal … It’s pretty sick that they were doing the same thing that they were screaming at us for – and our emails were related to political work, they weren’t degrading toward women or towards men, they weren’t pornographic in nature.”
She recalled that Fina was fixated on her personal relationship with DeWeese’s chief of staff, Michael Manzo, and whether she had spent her bonus money on a “boob job.” He accused her of “whoring around,” unleashing a string of profanity and “F-bombs,” she said. …
“He was completely putting me down and saying I was going to get in trouble for sleeping with my boss. Screaming at me, and saying that I used my bonus to get a boob job and that I was a disgrace, basically . . . I felt very degraded by him. I felt very degraded as a woman.”
It’s a good thing someone got to Governor Wolf and informed him of what was really going on. He would be an idiot to help these men remove Kane. She hasn’t been convicted of anything. And the case against her is very weak. More importantly – it seems the people coming after her are doing so to protect their own rear-ends. They are the real criminals.
I had a hard time spelling “Anonymous” correctly in my screen name. I’ll be back to one of my other troll-names shortly. Oh – and I just called him ant-semetic out of the blue, hoping he will try to defend himself. Because I am a troll and that’s how trolls roll.
Who’s the shill, and why should anyone care what anti-Semitic “troll-goy” HaHaHa says? He/she’s as bad as the rest of them. The scum defines what a shill is.
I hope Kane’s people are paying attention!! The shill is exposing himself. If he really has knowledge of how Kane collected evidence, then the Special Independent Prosecutor should soon be knocking on his door … if he even has a door to knock on. He’s probably using a CP at the rest-stop where he lives and works.
Has Eakin resigned yet?
David – I agree on many of your points. But I am not sure that the “motives” of Fina & company will matter as much as you think at Kane’s trial (if it ever happens).
If they can prove she illegally leaked protected material, it won’t matter that Fina is a racist pervert. And it won’t matter much that he was engaged in his own criminal behavior.
The way it will assist Kane’s defense is if Fona “compromised” the investigation into Kane.
Fina is going to jail though.
Just so sad for the citizens of pa that kane puts her ego ahead of what’s best for pa…
I should have also added that you are right that I am not claiming any privacy exception. I am saying they used 2 methods to capture the emails. One followed a more formal process the other did not but the amount of work to show which emails were captured in an accepted manner and they will have trouble seeing the evidence logs in court. She ran before she learned to walk on this one and it will cause Fina and his crew to win again.
So I haven’t seen the Spy Kidd movies but I guess they were boring. What server of exchange does that AGs office run. I know because I know how to know. Do you? The version they run has no role based access control which means they had to give enterprise admin rights. That means he COULD manipulate things. In a courtroom COULD is a big word because they would have to prove it. Prove it how? By showing that he only searched the emails and did nothing else via the logs? Well thanks for proving he was guilty and now you have sunk the nail in her coffin. Game over. Unless he wins on procedure her driver is the one who is going to sink Kane.
Her own choices have hewn the hook that the public demands pull her off stage. The excuses are weak. Even if her motives were noble, she screwed up big time. So big in fact that she makes reasonable people question her motives.
SpongeBob
I realize that you are a fake IT guy who gets his computer info from the Spy Kids movies.
However, my understanding is that all of the computers and networks in involved are govt owned and there are no privacy rights for workers for any data found on their work computers.
There is no indication nor claim that any emails were manipulated/altered.
Since, one of Kane’s arguments is that the case was a trumped up witch hunt against her by Fina and friends to cover up their inappropriate behavior, the emails go to motive: (“Ms Kane, what motive would Fina have to get you fired? Emails? Can we see them? Yikes!”)
Someone needs to get Fina under oath about whether he has leaked any grand jury material. (Like the sting case)
Did Fina have any ex-parte communications with judge Carpenter? Or any ties that create a conflict of interest?
Someone’s got to convince ALL 12 jurors that Kane is not the victim here, given the leaks against her (that remain uninvestigated), and the behavior/motives of her detractors.
Because, it’s the regular trial that should be either dropped, or allowed to play out, before Wolf and the Senate attempt to remove her. They have vested interests in the outcome that a jury doesn’t.