On this edition of PoliticsPA’s podcast, Voices of Reason, host Steve Ulrich talks with one of the authors of the New York Times bestseller, Fight. Inside the Wildest Battle for the White House.

Jonathan Allen, senior national politics reporter with NBC News, talked about the genesis of another campaign book, the maneuvering surrounding President Joe Biden’s departure from the race, and the behind-the-scenes machinations on the vetting process for Pennsylvania Gov. Josh Shapiro.

He also talks about why the Trump campaign feared a possible selection of Shapiro, what Tim Walz, John Fetterman and Joe Hoeffel had to say about the governor, and if Shapiro is well positioned for a 2028 presidential run.

Allen and co-author Amie Parnes, who unfortunately was under the weather and unable to join the pod, are the authors of two other campaign books – Shattered: Inside Hillary Clinton’s Doomed Campaign (2017) and Lucky: How Joe Biden Barely Won The Presidency (2021).

All that and more on this edition of Voices of Reason.

“Voices of Reason” is the antidote to a political environment too often mired in animosity and hidden agendas. This podcast cultivates intelligent discussions that give way to real-world solutions even when guests don’t share the same perspectives. The key: everyone gets a fair shake.